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I believe Tim would be send the latest goes through of your photo in order to their website, and can post you to relationship to new newsgroup.

Re: Wingfield Applications-of-Palms

connections of your own professionals, (the latest Wingfields have been researched rather well, and you will despite my personal typo on the Howard household members, I actually do feel the pedigree truthfully annotated within RI) >>

I’m not sure this will be an exact declaration. Really does your own guide address the newest age group *prior* in order to John Russell whom elizabeth the parents away from Elizabeth Russell whom meters Sir Robert Wingfield ?

Re: ? Comyn wife of Malise

I have next in order to fill in a number of the holes you let you know forthe great-grand-parents of Reginald le Cheyne. One of several primaryadditions comes from their paternal grandmother (NN on your article) havingbeen Mary de- Moravia (als de Moray), aunt and you can coheiress away from Freskinde Moravia out of Duffus (her parents Walter de Moravia and you can Euphemia ofRoss arrive below). There is the concern concerning his maternalgrandmother: I hold she is Joanna de Menteith, 2nd spouse from Malise,Earl of Strathearn. This will at the least promote an almost explanationfor Joanna’s child Helen out of Strathearn (wife successively ofReginald ce Cheyne, the father, as well as Sir David de Graham) beingnamed for Helen de Menteith, aunt of Joanna and you may spouse of Sir ColinCampbell away from Lochow (d. bef May 1343).

Unfortuitously, In my opinion you can find added openings from inside the Muriel Keith’sancestry (find below). Concerning either additions proposed with the tablesbelow, please indicates of every listed problems, or just what documentationmight suggest any mistake indexed.

We have holes in ancestries, but ferociously because regarding Reginald.To have Muriel Keith, their unique high-grand-parents We show1 William de Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton

I’m not aware of one documentation giving support to the identification of the mate as the Barbara Seton. When you have listed one, please recommend.

step 3 Alexander de- Synton4 NN5 Alexander off /Fraser/ Chamberlain of Scotland d step 3 Aug 13326 Mary de- Brus, Baroness /Fraser/

Sir Alexander Fraser partnered Mary Bruce (otherwise de- Brus), along with a child John identified as ‘nepos’ away from Robert _the_Bruce. This child is actually a more youthful John, but not, and not their heir. John Fraser, after lord out of Aboyne, are this new young buck off a primary wedding (which wife unknown; We have that it with the power away from Andrew MacEwen).

3 Walter de- Moravia (son out-of Hugh de- Moravia, and Annabela out of Fife) cuatro Euphemia out of Ross (dau. away from Fearchar, very first Earl regarding Ross and you can NN deBrus)

5 Malise, 6th Earl away from /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN perhaps Comyn d aft 13097 Sir John de Menteith (child from Walter Stewart, E regarding Menteith and

The new consanguinity between Muriel Keith and you can Reginald le Cheyne -recognized to were a good-grandson from Malise, Earl out-of Strathearn (d.1312) – is the only proof (if secondary) very very hot Omaha, TX girl why these a couple individualshad one or more ancestor/ancestress in accordance.

I’ve openings in ancestries, but fiercely for the reason that of Reginald.To possess Muriel Keith, their own high-grandparents I show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton3 Alexander de Synton4 NN5 Alexander regarding /Fraser/ Chamberlain from Scotland d step 3 Aug 13326 Mary de Brus, Baroness /Fraser/eight NN Fraser8 NN

To possess Reginald ce Cheney it’s sparse1 NN Cheney , 2 NN, step 3 NN, 4 NN5 Malise, sixth Earl off /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN possibly Comyn d aft 13097 and 8 NN

Re: Agnes Beler

Woodford, early 15the century, inside Leicestershire. Elizabeth is the newest d Villiers and you will Agnes Beler. Now, I want to hook up Agnes so you can Sir Roger Beler, slain of the Eustace de Folville, but I can not look for any factual statements about their unique. Normally anyone assist?